For all who trust in Him, salvation will come. But to those who turn away, God's wrath abides upon them: "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him," John Are these verses hard to read? Do they make you feel uncomfortable? They should. God hates sin. But, He does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner.
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Sin cannot be tied up and thrown into a fire. It cannot be put in a box or glued to a stick. It is rebellion. It is rebellion in the heart. It is breaking God's Law. Sin occurs inside the heart and mind of people. Therefore, God must punish the sinner. Because He is both Holy and Just and the person who sins offends God.
God's Holy and Just character will not allow Him to ignore this offense. When God said, "Let there be light," it happened. When He commanded that the oceans be, they came into existence. God's word is powerful. What He says is never futile, empty, or without power. The Law is a reflection of God's character. It is pure and perfect. It is powerful. The Ten Commandments reflect God's holiness and justice. These commandments are not without punishments.
A law without consequences is only an empty slogan. To sin is to break God's Law and offend His character. To sin means to challenge His character and authority. It means you go against His word. But God is not a liar. His word is true. He has said He will punish the lawbreaker.
But, praise be to God, that while we were yet sinners, Jesus died for us Rom. There is no way we can appease God. That is why God became one of us John , 14; Heb. Craig cited one of your papers; that's the way in which I came across your work. I have to say that it is very encouraging and inspiring to see someone with your level of intellect also be so ardent a Christian.
I appreciate it. Hello Aaron, I just read this post and found it most interesting. But there are some points I feel I must take issue with. The fact that someone rules does not necessarily give them moral authority. You need to establish how authority is made legitimate and then show that god does this. Simply declaring him ruler does not achieve this.
It is certainly possible that an intelligent being created the universe but does not rule it or even communicate with it. If Kim Jung On murders his own people, is it murder? But perhaps god is not perfectly good. Surely killing innocents disqualifies him from being perfectly good. This is a weird definition of killing. If i create a computer that cannot last forever and then it breaks down, did I break it? Killing is to deprive someone of life.
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If someone dies of old age, no one would say they have been killed. The point is, by selecting, say, the first born Egyptian for premature death well before their normal mortality would have kicked in he acted unjustly. Think of the mothers crying over the death of their young children, is it just to make them go through that rather than letting the children grow up and run the normal course of their lives?
You say god is omniscient so he knows when a people have become so wicked that they and all their children should be killed. So why did the animals have to be killed as well? Were they so wicked too? I think this is a crucial point you have over looked. You have not presented any evidence that the Canaanites really did carry out child sacrifice and even if they did why that does mean their children and animals have to be killed?
If the entire parent were killed and the children and animals adopted, cared for and loved would that mean they would still be doing child sacrifices? Do you think that there is a gene for this? When a society does carry out child sacrifice I doubt they kill all their children, which is what god commanded the Hebrews to do, how is killing all the children better than killing some of them?
People need to be judged by their actions, judging them by which group they belong to is just another form for racism. First let me address the issue of circular reasoning. Circular reasoning is only an issue when you are trying to prove that an idea is true. But when somebody raises an objection to an idea you believe, and you are trying merely to prove that the idea is consistent , then in order to do that you only need to describe an account of how it could make sense.
In constructing this account, it is perfectly valid and acceptable indeed necessary to assume for the sake of argument that the idea in question is true, to see what does and does not follow. But the purpose of this post was not to prove that God is perfectly good. It was merely to address a purported inconsistency between God being good, and his orders to e.
The original question was, assuming the biblical accounts of these events to be accurate, is it consistent with God being loving and good? Now about authority. If somebody steals something from me, as a private citizen I have no political authority to imprison the thief in my basement as a punishment. Nor do I have the authority to kill somebody I believe is a murderer.
Only the state has the political authority to do that operating according to the established judicial, police or military rules suitable to the situation. Apart from exceptional circumstances such as self-defence, citizens have the moral duty not to undermine the political order by taking justice into their own hand.
Kim Jong Un is the ruler of North Korea, and as such he does have some legitimate authority which I lack, although this authority is not unlimited. For example, if one person in North Korea stole something from his neighbor, as the ruler Kim would have the authority to imprison that person as a punishment.
Now in fact Kim is a brutal and capricious tyrant. So his actions are often unjust, either because he abuses his authority for example, by imprisoning and killing people for arbitrary or personal reasons or because he exceeds his authority for example, by requiring people to give him honors which belong only to God. That is tragic, but it doesn't change the fact that he is acting legitimately whenever he uses the powers of the state to punish actual wrongdoers.
Indeed, the North Korean dictatorship is so unjust that it would be morally right for him to be overthrown by a revolution and replaced by a different form of government. But even that does not change the fact that, while his power lasts, he has legitimate functions. So in order for killing someone to be moral, it is normally necessary but not sufficient that the killer have the authority to do so. If I kill a murderer, you can criticize me for acting outside my authority, whereas if a lawfully convened judge and jury sentence a person to death, they cannot be criticized for acting without authority, although they might be criticized for another reason e.
Now God has complete and perfect authority, not merely because he is the ruler and creator of the world, but also because he is completely and totally wise and good; in fact he is the source from which all other wisdom and goodness flows. Do I really need to explain why such a being would have the right to rule as well as the power to rule?
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An intelligent but limited alien being, who created the universe but wasn't perfect and didn't care for it intimately, would not at all be the same situation. God can be trusted not to abuse his authority in any way, although we in our limited knowledge may have questions and concerns about what he does. He always chooses to do what produces on balance the most good, and for this very reason may do some things which would be prohibited if you or I did them.
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Now it is not extremely implausible that there have existed, in human history, some cultural groups which the world would have been better off without. But I claim that no human society has the moral authority to make this judgment, because a we don't have sufficient information to decide this reliably, b we would be morally corrupted by trying to do it, and c it would disrupt the international political order if people could decide to do this on their own initiative.
Thus we human beings are best served by an absolute rule prohibiting genocide, with no exceptions. But none of these three reasons a-c apply to God, who is omniscient, unchangable, and in charge of the human community rather than by nature a member of it. Thus if God were to reveal by clear and unmistakable signs such as we read about in the Torah that he wanted a cultural group to be wiped out, I claim that the usual reasons for prohibiting genocide would not apply.